Hood added Screenshots to site!

[§hady]

master said:

Ok so the last question is will you use any of the ones that are up there or do you want me to resave a few that you like in PNG and then upload them again for you?

This isn't possible. Once it's saved in jpeg, you cannot add detail that is not visible in the original picture.....



And hood - I'll try that out. I'm not sure what the option key equavilent is on the pc, but I'll try alt, ctrl, whatever comes to mind and let you know if it works.

[~RAZR~]

no shady but you can save it in PNG which is a different format then jpg i was not going to try to add detail or anything with jpg.

[§hady]

I know, I know.

But it wouldn't improve anything if the original copy was saved in .jpg format. So there's no use in changing the extension.....

[~RAZR~]

No actully it does improve it shady i just did it.

[nc]Dread]

It cant Change Im with Shady.. Once saved as a Jpeg Switching the file type isnt going to add detail... Once The file is saved a Jpeg it has some loss of pixels and adds artifacts lke hood said... Changing it isnt going to take those away once its already changed ...

[~RAZR~]

I just got a few more pictures before i leave for a dreadful week but here they are hopefully they will get me somewhere!

[Hood]

Ah, sorry. I had been thinking that you still had the high-quality originals, but that you had uploaded a lower-quality jpeg to save space.

What app do you use to take the screenshot? The JPEG's above looked like they were saved at around 50% quality (70% or higher would be much better). It might not be your fault. Photobucket's default settings are to reduce your file sizes to 250kb or less (or around that). I told mine not to resize images unless they are over 500kb, etc. Or it might be the screen-capture settings. I have mine set to save at a higher quality.

PNG isn't required, since it makes the files so much larger. And JPEG>PNG might make them look different, but won't remove the jpeg artifacts. Higher-quality JPEG would be perfect, and still keep the sizes reasonable. Most of the 1680x1050 screenshots I uploaded are around 250kb each. On a side-note, are my images too big to view on your computers, or does your system automatically resize them for your monitor?

One more request, if possible, could we just list the hyperlinks to the images and not the images themselves? Photo-gallery-threads tend to get so unweildy.

Master - I liked that first photo you upped yesterday, because not only did it show the sniper muzzle flash, it also showed the resulting explosion on the target. A similar shot, saved as a higher-quality jpeg would be perfect. Of the pics you put up today, I again liked the first one best because it did the best job of showing off the target's explosion. I'm not that keen on the flycam, because it makes it look like i'm seeing through a fish-eye lens (tweaked).

As far as FSAA goes, I did some more reading up and am sorry to say, you PC users are out of luck. Halo for PC does not have ANY in-game support for anti-aliasing. Your hardware can tell you it will try, but from the screens it's obvioiusly disabled in-game. Apparently only the Mac version was designed to support it, along with several other settings.

I was confused, at first, because I could have sworn I had seen some awesome wallpaper images of Halo 1 for PC. I just went back through Bungie's site to see what their 'official' wallpapers looked like and OOPS, no AA. See for yourself: bungie.com/images/games/halopc/wallpapers/halopc_warthog_1280.jpg (you can see clear, standalone pixels in the shield of the blue driver - and if you don't see the pixels, turn off your graphics card's AA option and look again. Your system's AA filter may make your images look nicer to YOU but not to anyone else. Take a look at my screens with your AA off and you'll notice the difference.)

Keep them coming, though. I'll tell you what fits best, and you guys can get more like those. I'll take some more soon as well.

[§hady]

hood said:

Ah, sorry. I had been thinking that you still had the high-quality originals, but that you had uploaded a lower-quality jpeg to save space.

What app do you use to take the screenshot? The JPEG's above looked like they were saved at around 50% quality (70% or higher would be much better). It might not be your fault. Photobucket's default settings are to reduce your file sizes to 250kb or less (or around that). I told mine not to resize images unless they are over 500kb, etc. Or it might be the screen-capture settings. I have mine set to save at a higher quality.

PNG isn't required, since it makes the files so much larger. And JPEG>PNG might make them look different, but won't remove the jpeg artifacts. Higher-quality JPEG would be perfect, and still keep the sizes reasonable. Most of the 1680x1050 screenshots I uploaded are around 250kb each. On a side-note, are my images too big to view on your computers, or does your system automatically resize them for your monitor?

One more request, if possible, could we just list the hyperlinks to the images and not the images themselves? Photo-gallery-threads tend to get so unweildy.

Master - I liked that first photo you upped yesterday, because not only did it show the sniper muzzle flash, it also showed the resulting explosion on the target. A similar shot, saved as a higher-quality jpeg would be perfect. Of the pics you put up today, I again liked the first one best because it did the best job of showing off the target's explosion. I'm not that keen on the flycam, because it makes it look like i'm seeing through a fish-eye lens (tweaked).

As far as FSAA goes, I did some more reading up and am sorry to say, you PC users are out of luck. Halo for PC does not have ANY in-game support for anti-aliasing. Your hardware can tell you it will try, but from the screens it's obvioiusly disabled in-game. Apparently only the Mac version was designed to support it, along with several other settings.

I was confused, at first, because I could have sworn I had seen some awesome wallpaper images of Halo 1 for PC. I just went back through Bungie's site to see what their 'official' wallpapers looked like and OOPS, no AA. See for yourself: bungie.com/images/games/halopc/wallpapers/halopc_warthog_1280.jpg (you can see clear, standalone pixels in the shield of the blue driver - and if you don't see the pixels, turn off your graphics card's AA option and look again. Your system's AA filter may make your images look nicer to YOU but not to anyone else. Take a look at my screens with your AA off and you'll notice the difference.)

Keep them coming, though. I'll tell you what fits best, and you guys can get more like those. I'll take some more soon as well.

Regarding the AA, I do believe that mine is on.

I have not checked "Application Preference" so it overrides whatever my game tells it to do. And my Hogs look SO much better than that.......

I'll try to get some pics to display the AA that I think is on.

EDIT:
Here's the .PNG form of the pic:
www.fileden.com/files/2006/6/8/56921/halo%202006-07-16%2014-43-17-34.png


Here's the .jpg form of the pic (Stupid photobucket resized it even though I had it at like 1000kb...):
i41.photobucket.com/albums/e277/xxxshadyfan/AAOn.jpg


I have AA at "8XS", whatever that means. But it is the highest it goes. I'm pretty sure there is no difference between FullScreen AA and regular AA, but I'll have to look into it more....

[©Fart]

Sorry #offtopic# but, how about putting links to your pics.

Not the full pic.

[Hood]

Shady- Sorry, you've zero AA going on. For starters, try turning off your graphics card's FSAA, then look again at the pictures you took. Below is a section and blowup of your original. You'll notice that absolutely no AA'g is going on: i28.photobucket.com/albums/c224/hoodkauai/Skelito/FSAA.jpg If AA had been on, the edges of that pillar(?) would have been nice and smooth, not choppy or pixelated.

If you turn AA off on your graphics card, you'll likely notice that suddenly all of your screenshots have no AA in them, while the ones of mine you downloaded still do. I'm not sure exactly why your PC's would do that.

Maybe it's smoothing out the image while it's on it's way to the screen? Had FSAA been working properly, it would remain in the photos even after you turn that option off in your graphics card.

Try this out, i'd be curious to see just how much of a difference you notice. Personally I'm shocked. I didn't realize PC's did that to you guys. I mean when you're working in photoshop you need to see EXACTLY what the photo contains, not some smoothed-out rendition of it.

On Macs FSAA is called up on a need-to-use basis. Halo will use it, photoshop will not. We don't have to adjust anything...

Please, everybody else on PC's, try this and tell me if you notice a difference in your screenshots. I'm curious as to how widespread this problem is in the PC world.

Edit: here's another sample. The top sample was from one of Master's PNG's (turned to jpegs). The bottom was from one of my JPG's. Note when I zoom close how you can clearly see the pixels, but how on mine they are nicely anti-aliased: i28.photobucket.com/albums/c224/hoodkauai/Skelito/FSAA2.jpg (note, ignore the JPEG artifacts, those blurry, jittery things in the sky. That's normal for enlarged JPEGs. It's the sharp edges you're looking at)

[§hady]

hood said:

Shady- Sorry, you've zero AA going on. For starters, try turning off your graphics card's FSAA, then look again at the pictures you took. Below is a section and blowup of your original. You'll notice that absolutely no AA'g is going on: i28.photobucket.com/albums/c224/hoodkauai/Skelito/FSAA.jpg If AA had been on, the edges of that pillar(?) would have been nice and smooth, not choppy or pixelated.

If you turn AA off on your graphics card, you'll likely notice that suddenly all of your screenshots have no AA in them, while the ones of mine you downloaded still do. I'm not sure exactly why your PC's would do that.

Maybe it's smoothing out the image while it's on it's way to the screen? Had FSAA been working properly, it would remain in the photos even after you turn that option off in your graphics card.

Try this out, i'd be curious to see just how much of a difference you notice. Personally I'm shocked. I didn't realize PC's did that to you guys. I mean when you're working in photoshop you need to see EXACTLY what the photo contains, not some smoothed-out rendition of it.

On Macs FSAA is called up on a need-to-use basis. Halo will use it, photoshop will not. We don't have to adjust anything...

Please, everybody else on PC's, try this and tell me if you notice a difference in your screenshots. I'm curious as to how widespread this problem is in the PC world.

Edit: here's another sample. The top sample was from one of Master's PNG's (turned to jpegs). The bottom was from one of my JPG's. Note when I zoom close how you can clearly see the pixels, but how on mine they are nicely anti-aliased: i28.photobucket.com/albums/c224/hoodkauai/Skelito/FSAA2.jpg (note, ignore the JPEG artifacts, those blurry, jittery things in the sky. That's normal for enlarged JPEGs. It's the sharp edges you're looking at)

You're right!

I stood still and took a shot overlooking bloodgulch. I then minimized and enabled the AA. Nothing. It looked exactly the same....


I like AA, and I'd like to figure out if there is a way to fix this.
I've done several google searches, but still found nothing.

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I noticed that you had very few Plasma Warz pictures in the gallery, so I decided to take some:

i41.photobucket.com/albums/e277/xxxshadyfan/HeadStick1.jpg
i41.photobucket.com/albums/e277/xxxshadyfan/ButtStick1.jpg
i41.photobucket.com/albums/e277/xxxshadyfan/GreenExplosion1.jpg

You'll notice, in the last picture, that I stuck his back right before he shot ;D

[Arcturus]

lol nice pics shady! P.S. nice bones was AFK!

[Hood]

love that Buttstick.jpg, great shot!

As for Full-screen anti-aliasing, from what I'm read you have no options available to you. Apparently Halo for PC was never designed to support FSAA. Only the Mac version was built with it. This explains why none of Bungie's Halo 1 PC wallpapers have it either. Only you PC users with higher-end cards who turn FSAA on at the card-level will see any of that, but even then any screenshots you save won't have it either, and your less-fortunate PC counterparts will see jagged edges when they view your shots.

Hopefully they decide to put it in Halo 2 PC when they ship it for you guys. I really don't know how you guys put up with crap like that (JAB).

Out of curiosity, Master/Aero/Shady - what is the highest resolution you can turn out? Is 1280 really the max?

[§hady]

hood said:

love that Buttstick.jpg, great shot!

As for Full-screen anti-aliasing, from what I'm read you have no options available to you. Apparently Halo for PC was never designed to support FSAA. Only the Mac version was built with it. This explains why none of Bungie's Halo 1 PC wallpapers have it either. Only you PC users with higher-end cards who turn FSAA on at the card-level will see any of that, but even then any screenshots you save won't have it either, and your less-fortunate PC counterparts will see jagged edges when they view your shots.

Hopefully they decide to put it in Halo 2 PC when they ship it for you guys. I really don't know how you guys put up with crap like that (JAB).

Out of curiosity, Master/Aero/Shady - what is the highest resolution you can turn out? Is 1280 really the max?

LOL, not by a long shot!!

Most graphics cards (mine and masters, anyways) go to 2560x1600, or something like that. It's our crappy "normal" monitors that can't handle anything above 1280x1024, which is my desktop resolution.

Only you PC users with higher-end cards who turn FSAA on at the card-level will see any of that, but even then any screenshots you save won't have it either, and your less-fortunate PC counterparts will see jagged edges when they view your shots.

What do you call a "higher-end card"? Because I have the GeForce 7600, which I would consider a medium- to high-end card.
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Yeah, the buttstick was probably my favorite. Either that or the one with the green explosion.... ;D

[§hady]

templar said:

What do you call a "higher-end card"? Because I have the GeForce 7600, which I would consider a medium- to high-end card.

That is a pretty high end card which can no doubt pull off high levels of AA.

Also the higher the resolution you play at, the less AA you need.

So a computer that runs at 1600 x 1200 with 2xAA will look (probably not much) better than a computer at 1280 x 1024 with 2xAA.

Just keep that in mind everyone...

Yeah... Atleast BF2 looks nice and smooth


And Hood, have you figured out which (if any) screenshots you plan to use?