NEXT GEN!

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hellspawn said:

but u still have to use a CORD surprise, omg, what i am saying is that if ur going to use a cord during play cuz ur battery runs low, then y not get a cord based controller that way u dont have to worry bout ur batteries dying and hooking it up to adapter, which is a CORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I said nothing about worrying about flat batteries. I meerly said that a recharge cable is both convenient and practical.

When you have played the countless hours of consoles, and your battery goes flat (mid game) and you want to keep playing, the recharge cord can get you out of a pickle. This way you can keep playing the game, rather than shutting the game down, or pausing it until your battery is charged some 5 to 10 hours later...

I was not saying that the recharge cord should stay attached to your controller at all times....If you cared to read the actual content of my posts, you would have known this fact.

I too love the cordless controllers, as they allow a lot more freedom while playing the games we love. The one thing I do hate is being caught mid game, by a flat batery. So I pick up the recharge cord, plug it in and finish the game.

I then shut down the console, and go about my life, while the battery charges up and is ready for a whole new round of cordless play...

This was basically the point that I was trying to make in the first place, but you didn't seem to understand a rotten thing..Now if you cannot get the point of what I am posting this time, perhaps think about going away and not coming back to this thread again.

[Arcturus]

slngshot said:

hellspawn said:

but u still have to use a CORD surprise, omg, what i am saying is that if ur going to use a cord during play cuz ur battery runs low, then y not get a cord based controller that way u dont have to worry bout ur batteries dying and hooking it up to adapter, which is a CORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I said nothing about worrying about flat batteries. I meerly said that a recharge cable is both convenient and practical.

When you have played the countless hours of consoles, and your battery goes flat (mid game) and you want to keep playing, the recharge cord can get you out of a pickle. This way you can keep playing the game, rather than shutting the game down, or pausing it until your battery is charged some 5 to 10 hours later...

I was not saying that the recharge cord should stay attached to your controller at all times....If you cared to read the actual content of my posts, you would have known this fact.

I too love the cordless controllers, as they allow a lot more freedom while playing the games we love. The one thing I do hate is being caught mid game, by a flat batery. So I pick up the recharge cord, plug it in and finish the game.

I then shut down the console, and go about my life, while the battery charges up and is ready for a whole new round of cordless play...

This was basically the point that I was trying to make in the first place, but you didn't seem to understand a rotten thing..Now if you cannot get the point of what I am posting this time, perhaps think about going away and not coming back to this thread again.

CAN WE NOT ARGUE!!!! lets just talk about Next Gen consoles

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You forgot the 'none' selection

[Arcturus]

why? if none than you don't have vote


[glow=red,2,300]WOO-HOO 200th post!![/glow]

[}RG{Hawk]

Im goin with the wii cause my parents already promised me the 360 when i finish 7th grade and besides Ps3 SUKS with the ps2 u had to buy mem cards that dont Have enough memory to hold CRAP with gamecube it could easily have more memory than the ps2 besides i like the controller they actually make systems worth buying cause im sure not gonna buy a ps3 for 500$ or 600$ also i have a book that said how much aroundish the wii would cost and it said 250$, 250$ and it has good graphics all ready in it and it doesnt cost a freakin crapload of 500$ or 600$.


Also Titan if they made it free online sony would lose money WOO HOO id love that(i completely hate the ps series altogether).

also nintendo makes a lot more adventure games than microsoft and sony you have to admit that.

[Holy War, Inc.]

PS3 may be $600, but using English and typing in coherent scentences is priceless.

[Arcturus]

dkhawk said:

Im goin with the wii cause my parents already promised me the 360 when i finish 7th grade and besides Ps3 SUKS with the ps2 u had to buy mem cards that dont Have enough memory to hold CRAP with gamecube it could easily have more memory than the ps2 besides i like the controller they actually make systems worth buying cause im sure not gonna buy a ps3 for 500$ or 600$ also i have a book that said how much aroundish the wii would cost and it said 250$, 250$ and it has good graphics all ready in it and it doesnt cost a freakin crapload of 500$ or 600$.


Also Titan if they made it free online sony would lose money WOO HOO id love that(i completely hate the ps series altogether).

also nintendo makes a lot more adventure games than microsoft and sony you have to admit that.

(I completely hate the nintendo series altogether)

adventure games are gay espaically if your playing it with nun-chucks...........acually i think that sony would GAIN! money one reason is because you won't have to but Sh*ty 12 month packs that are 60 dollars.



Hardware specifications and tech demos dominated the show last year, but Sony revealed the last remaining details about the new PlayStation at this year's press conference, including final launch information. Sony originally planned a spring 2006 release for the console, but Sony Computer Entertainment president Ken Kutaragi announced in March that the console will not ship until November due to delays in finalizing the Blu-ray copy-protection technology specifications.

Sony is now planning to give the PlayStation 3 a simultaneous worldwide launch. The new system will be available with two different hard-drive options in Japan, the United States, Europe, and Australia in November. The console will hit Japan first on November 11. The 20GB model will sell for 59,800 yen, but Sony will let Japanese retailers name their own price for the 60GB version. The PlayStation 3 will launch in the United States, Europe, and Australia on November 17. The 20GB version will retail for $499 and the 60GB version will retail for $599 in the US, and 499 and 599 euros in Europe, respectively. Sony is now planning to give the PlayStation 3 a simultaneous worldwide launch. The new system will be available with two different hard-drive options in Japan, the United States, Europe, and Australia in November. The console will hit Japan first on November 11. The 20GB model will sell for 59,800 yen, but Sony will let Japanese retailers name their own price for the 60GB version. The PlayStation 3 will launch in the United States, Europe, and Australia on November 17. The 20GB version will retail for $499 and the 60GB version will retail for $599 in the US, and 499 and 599 euros in Europe, respectively. In an attempt to make inroads with the general consumer, Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo have all given much more attention to cosmetic considerations in this console generation. The new PlayStation 3 console has a simple design, resembling a minimalist stereo component. Early prototypes indicate that the new case will be available in three different colors--white, black, and silver--but initial US models will be black. Like the Xbox 360 and the Nintendo Wii, the PlayStation 3 will be able to stand vertically or sit horizontally on an AV rack. The curved console-top suggests that the PS3 will need to sit at the very top of your equipment stack if placed horizontally. The console will weigh in at a solid 11 pounds. In comparison, the relatively chunky Xbox weighs 8.5 pounds and the Xbox 360 weighs 7.7 pounds. The PS3 measures 12.8"(W) x 3.8"(H) x 10.8"(L), which is in line with the other consoles.The PlayStation 3 controller Sony introduced at E3 last year resembled what can very easily be described as a "batarang," in reference to Batman's bat-shaped throwing weapon. At E3 2006, Sony revealed the new controller, which heavily resembles the traditional DualShock design. The L2 and R2 shoulder buttons located on the top of the controller have also been enlarged, with increased depth in stroke for more subtle game control. Sony has also enlarged the tilting angle of the analog joysticks to enable more delicate manipulation and a wider range of motion. Whereas the analog sticks on the DualShock controller for the PlayStation 2 had 8-bit sensitivity, the new controller will have 10-bit motion detection.The new controller has two analog sticks, the usual four-button complement on the right side, and four top-side trigger buttons. However, in Nintendo Wii fashion, the new PlayStation 3 controller will also have motion-sensing capabilities. Sony's Phil Harrison stated that the controller is capable of sensing motion in six degrees: up, down, left, right, forward, and backward. Even with the added functionality, the controller will weigh no more than the wired DualShock controller, according to Harrison. Dylan Jobe of Incognito Studios proceeded to demonstrate the controller's motion sensitivity in Warhawk, a jet-based fighter game. He tilted the controller to control the orientation of his aircraft. Tilting the controller upward caused the aircraft to point its nose in the air and shifting the sides of the controller up and down caused the aircraft to tilt in a similar manner. Additionally, the controller will no longer feature force-feedback vibration. Sony claims that the feedback vibration would interfere with games that use the motion sensor.

Like the Xbox 360 controller, the new PlayStation 3 controller will be wireless, but it will function via Bluetooth 2.0 EDR instead of 2.4GHz RF. Devices operating with Bluetooth generally have a range of 30 feet. Sony reports that the controller will have a 24-hour battery life, a figure that seems to be in line with other Bluetooth devices but far short of the 300-hour 2.4GHz models available for current consoles. Despite the decreased battery life, Bluetooth 2.0 EDR offers numerous features. Bluetooth 2.0 EDR can transmit data at rates of up to 3.0Mbps. Furthermore, by using Bluetooth, the PlayStation 3 may be capable of supporting other Bluetooth devices on the market, such as headsets, mice, and keyboards.

Also, you will be able to recharge the controller by connecting it to the PlayStation 3 with a USB cable. The controller will be functional while tethered to the system and will also be hot pluggable, which means you can plug and unplug controllers while the system is on.

The PlayStation Portable will be able to work with the new console. The PSP will be able to function as a remote control or as a sort of controller for the PlayStation 3. To demonstrate the possibilities of PSP-to-PS3 connectivity, Harrison showed off Formula 1, a PS3 racing game, which could output a video stream to the PSP that lets the player use the portable as a rearview mirror while playing the game on the PS3.


Media Mogul

The 2.5" portable hard drives supply the system with much-needed storage space for network downloads, applications, and home-server capabilities. Additionally, games will use the hard drive for game saves, and it will cache game files for decreased load times. During the Gran Turismo HD E3 2006 demonstration, Sony mentioned that load times would be reduced to two to three seconds. The game took around six to seven seconds to load during the E3 demo, but loading times will likely drop once developers have more time to optimize.

The 60GB PlayStation 3 has an enormous number of inputs and outputs, some wired, some not. The console features a front-slot-loading Blu-ray optical-disc drive, four USB ports, and a memory stick, as well as compact flash and SD readers to provide for an absurd level of media connectivity. The 20GB PlayStation 3, in comparison, has a much more limited feature set. It won't have memory stick, compact flash, or SD card ports. Upon closer inspection, Sony has cut specs for both systems since first announcing the console.The original PlayStation 3 specs showed the system with dual HDMI ports. At E3 '06, Sony revealed that the 60GB console will only have one HDMI port, and the 20GB version will not have any HDMI ports. At last year's E3, Sony claimed that the system would be able to output dual 1080p video, but the HDMI cuts have effectively eliminated that possibility. The 20GB version also might have trouble outputting 1080p for content-protected Blu-ray movies, and whether the system can output 1080p for games remains to be seen.

Sony will equip each PlayStation 3 system with a Blu-ray optical-disc drive that can play games and movie discs. Each Blu-ray disc can hold up to 54GB worth of data, which should virtually guarantee that games won't be left wanting for extra media space. During his Game Developers Conference 2006 keynote address, Sony's Phil Harrison boasted that the storage capacity of a Blu-ray disc is large enough to hold localized content for all versions of a game, letting publishers ship one global disc instead of stamping out a new version for each language region. Games will be region-free, but movies will still have region locks preventing multiregion playback. However, according to Japanese IT Media, the Blu-ray spec now has North America, South America, and Asia (except for China) in region 1. If the spec doesn't change, that means your US PlayStation 3 should be able to play those Blu-ray Godzilla movies imported from Japan. The PlayStation 3 also comes with support for many of the older disc formats, including CR-ROM, CDR+W, DVD, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, and DVD+R. The system will also be backward compatible with PlayStation and PlayStation 2 games.

Sony's original specifications stated that the PlayStation 3 would come with three Ethernet ports, but the newly revealed specifications from E3 06 show that the system will arrive with only one Ethernet port. The 60GB version of the PlayStation 3 will also come with Wi-Fi built-in, but the 20GB version will only have the Ethernet port. We can't ignore the fact that the PS3 has all the tools to function as a personal video recorder and home-media server. The larger 60GB drive will likely prove much more useful than the 20GB drive if you wish to take advantage of the additional media functionality. The PlayStation 3 will have a 3.2GHz Cell processor that consists of a single PowerPC-based core with seven synergistic processing units. The Cell is the result of a joint effort between IBM, Sony, and Toshiba. The primary PowerPC core has a 512KB L2 cache, and each SPE has 256KB of its own memory to work with. The CPU has an eighth SPE for "redundancy." IBM has stated that the first prototypes have weighed in with 234 million transistors each. To put things into perspective, desktop PC processor manufacturer Intel only broke into the 200-million transistor range with its dual-core Pentium Processor Extreme Edition chip, which was released in early 2005.The Cell processor will also be powerful enough to drive a new class of gameplay physics impossible to run on older console hardware. The PS3 will be able to simulate cloth and fluid, as well as large-scale rigid-body interactions with hundreds and thousands of objects colliding on screen. Today's PCs in comparison will need a physics add-on card or find a way to tap the GPU for physics processing to run PS3-level physics effects. Additionally, developers will be able to use the Cell's SPEs to give games new audio effects previously only available on the PC with dedicated audio processing.

The industry-wide shift to multicore processing platforms will have a major impact on developers in the coming years, since we're now moving into more-complicated hardware. A lot of the burden will fall upon the hardware manufacturers themselves to design systems and provide tools that will make it easier for programmers to write games. Sony has announced that the PS3 will use Open GL/ES, a specialized API closely related to Open GL, and programmers will be able to access the Cell's SPEs using C or C++ tools, instead of having to program on the assembly level as they did with the PS2.


Synthesizing Reality

Sony will pair the Cell with a very powerful graphics processor based on advanced Nvidia technology. You may remember that Nvidia did the graphics for the first Xbox system, but with reports of contract disputes between Nvidia and Microsoft, few were surprised when both companies chose to change dance partners for the next console cycle. Microsoft went with ATI for the Xbox 360, and Nvidia hooked up with Sony on the PlayStation 3.

The end result of that collaboration is the PlayStation 3 RSX "Reality Synthesizer" graphics-processing unit, a massive 550MHz, 300-million-transistor graphics chip based on advanced GeForce graphics technology. According to a written statement from Nvidia, the RSX transistor count is "more than the total number of transistors in both the central-processing units and the graphics-processing units of the three leading current-generation systems, combined." During the PlayStation 3 E3 2005 presentation, Nvidia CEO and founder Jen-Hsun Huang explained that "the RSX has twice the performance of the GeForce 6800 Ultra, the highest performance GPU in the world today. Each of these GPUs retails for $500. There will be two of them, equivalent horsepower, in the RSX."

The PS3 will jump out ahead in hardware performance, but the PC isn't far behind. Nvidia replaced the GeForce 6800 Ultra with the much more powerful GeForce 7800 GTX last summer. It turns out that the RSX and GeForce 7800 GTX share a similar architecture, but the RSX is still slightly faster. Nvidia has since released its GeForce 7900 GTX refresh part, but the PlayStation 3 still has an advantage in that the entire system is built specifically for gaming instead of general processing.


A Trip Down Memory Lane

The PlayStation 3 has 256MBs of Rambus XDR memory and 256MBs of GDDR3 memory dedicated to graphics. Nvidia also claims that the RSX can take advantage of the combined 512MBs of memory, since it is capable of writing directly to system memory, but the 256MBs dedicated to graphics memory should be plenty for now. The increased graphics memory bandwidth and storage space will let developers use high-resolution textures and enable antialiasing for incredibly detailed, jaggy-free graphics. The programmable shader capabilities greatly increase graphics efficiency, letting game developers create advanced effects such as subsurface scattering and other advanced lighting effects. We expect most game developers to target native 720p and 1080i HD resolutions, as 1080p screens are still fairly rare.Every new system release comes with its share of whispers about how the new hardware is finicky or difficult to program for, but there's always a learning curve for each new platform release--it is new hardware after all. Developers will take a year or two to get up to speed while Sony releases and refines its development tools. Game developers grumbled about the PlayStation 2 when it was first released, too. Judging by the PlayStation 3's ever-growing game list, Sony isn't having a difficult time getting developers and publishers to sign on to produce games for the new system. Our favorite PlayStation game franchises and developers will certainly make the transition to the new system. Sony trotted out several new games during its E3 press conference last year, most notably Metal Gear Solid 4 from Konami, Epic's Unreal Tournament 2007, Tekken 6 from Namco, and Vision Gran Turismo from Polyphony Digital, and Sony later revealed its Japanese lineup at the Tokyo Game Show in September 2005.

Find out about all the PlayStation 3 games on our PS3 games page. We've highlighted 10 games that we're looking forward to seeing more of at E3 2006. [UPDATE] Several games we wanted to see didn't make an appearance at this year's show. Resident Evil 5, Devil May Cry 4, and Killzone were all MIA at E3 2006.


Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
Publisher: Konami
Developer: Kojima Productions
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots marks the debut of Konami's popular Metal Gear series on the PS3.





Resident Evil 5
Publisher: Capcom
Developer: Capcom
Capcom continues the Resident Evil franchise on the next-generation platforms.





Vision Gran Turismo
Publisher: SCEA
Developer: Polyphony Digital
Vision Gran Turismo is a sim racing game from Polyphony Digital.





Unreal Tournament 2007
Publisher: Midway
Developer: Epic Games
Unreal Tournament 2007 is the next installment in Epic Games' popular sci-fi shooter series.





Devil May Cry 4
Publisher: Capcom
Developer: Capcom
Devil May Cry 4 is the fourth installment in Capcom's series starring Dante, the gun-slinging demon hunter.





Warhawk
Publisher: SCEA
Developer: Incognito
Warhawk is the sequel to the PlayStation shooter of the same name.





MotorStorm
Publisher: SCEE
Developer: Evolution Studios
Motor Storm is a driving game from SCEE for the PlayStation 3.





Killzone
Publisher: SCEA
Developer: Guerrilla
Killzone is a sequel to the squad-based shooter from SCEA.





Resistance: Fall of Man
Publisher: Insomniac Games
Developer: Insomniac Games
Resistance: Fall of Man, formerly known as I-8, is a first-person shooter from Insomniac Games.





Sonic the Hedgehog
Publisher: Sega
Developer: Sega
Sega is working on a brand new Sonic title for next-gen systems, with exciting speed changes.

Anyone who has played online games with the PlayStation 2 has a pretty good idea of Sony's online strategy with that platform. That is to say, there wasn't much of a strategy at all. The network-adapter peripheral was released separately from the console itself. Each game publisher had to run its own servers, which meant that logging into every new game, or at least games from different publishers, meant creating and keeping track of several different login names and passwords. If playing online games on the PS2 felt like a chaotic free-for-all at times, that's because it basically was one.

Thankfully, Sony is moving in a more cohesive direction in regard to its online service with the PS3. The new console has built-in wired and wireless networking capabilities, and Sony will launch a new online service to coincide with the system's release.
PlayStation Network Platform

Sony only touched briefly on its online service for the PS3 at last year's E3, namely, that they're working on it, and that it will have "content, community, communication, and commerce." In March, Ken Kutaragi detailed more information about the service during Sony's PlayStation Business Briefing in Japan. Sony is working with its Sony Online Entertainment arm on the project. SOE currently manages Sony's EverQuest, Star Wars Galaxies, and PlanetSide MMO game franchises. The service doesn't have a marketing-approved name yet, but it's being called the PlayStation Network platform internally.

The network will be similar to Microsoft's Xbox Live service and will provide community features such as personal login accounts, friends lists, avatars, matchmaking, and communication options, including instant messaging, as well as voice and video chat. The free basic service will include community features and online multiplayer gameplay. Xbox Live Silver, Microsoft's free basic service, provides community options, too, but Silver-level subscribers can only play massively multiplayer games online. Players must upgrade to a paid Xbox Live Gold service subscription to access online multiplayer gameplay for non-MMO games.

Sony's service will also offer Xbox Marketplace-like download functionality, and developers will be able to integrate shops directly into games, letting players buy items from within the game experience. Sony hasn't confirmed whether or not games will be available for download, but there won't be any hardware hurdles, as the PS3 will be able to play games directly from the system's hard-disk drive. In addition to microtransactions, Sony has suggested that the commerce service can also handle subscriptions. Sony plans to let game developers connect and run their own game servers on the network. Letting game companies charge subscription fees could help defray the cost of maintaining servers.


Networking Capabilities

So what can you do online with the PlayStation 3? Let's start with the available hardware specifications that pertain directly or peripherally to the system's online features.


1x Gigabit Ethernet
Bluetooth 2.0 connectivity for up to seven controllers
Wi-Fi wireless built-in (802.11b/g) 60GB version only
1x HDMI video output 60GB version only
Optional high-def IP camera

At E3 2005, SCE CTO Masa Chatani talked about the availability of an HD IP camera peripheral, which would presumably be plugged into one of the gigabit Ethernet ports. The camera will let you broadcast an HD-quality video stream for video messaging, conferencing, and more. With only one gigabit Ethernet port, the camera will likely connect via a USB port.

The PS3 also has Wi-Fi connectivity. The connection can and definitely will be used to connect locally with your PSP, which can serve as a controller, a remote control, and a remote screen. Since your PS3 is meant to always stay on and always connected, it follows that any media stored on your PS3, such as music and movies, could be accessed remotely through your PSP. Imagine you're on vacation and have burned through your entire MP3 playlist on your 512MB memory stick. Wouldn't it be nice to walk into a café with free Wi-Fi access, dump those songs, and get a fresh playlist or a few videos off your PS3 at home?

Nintendo publicly stated that the Wii will be cheaper than the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3. The Xbox 360 debuted at $299 and $399, respectively, for the Core and Premium systems. In comparison, Sony's recently released pricing information puts the PlayStation 3 at $499 for the 20GB model and at $599 for the 60GB model.

Shortly after E3, Nintendo senior managing director, Yoshihiro Mori, disclosed pricing plans for the Wii. He revealed that the console would cost no more than 25,000 Yen ($223 at current exchange rates) in Japan, and that US pricing for the Wii would not exceed $250. The company did not announce bundle details. In light of these statements, we believe the price range of the console will vary anywhere between $199 and $249. we all know why the Wii is cheap.......ITS JUST A CRAPPY SYSTEM!!!!

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sammy said:

PS3 may be $600, but using English and typing in coherent scentences is priceless.

Ouch

The PS2 does have free online, and I believe there has been no word on the cost of online play for the PS3.

I believe the Wii will cost $199. The NES costed 199, the SNES costed 199, the N64 costed 199, and the Gamecube costed 199, why should the wii cost 199? Even if the Wii costs $249 its reasonable and affordable #thumb# Konami needs to import Metal Gear Solid 4 to the Wii though #worship#

[Arcturus]

ctfsacro said:

sammy said:

PS3 may be $600, but using English and typing in coherent scentences is priceless.

Ouch

The PS2 does have free online, and I believe there has been no word on the cost of online play for the PS3.

I believe the Wii will cost $199. The NES costed 199, the SNES costed 199, the N64 costed 199, and the Gamecube costed 199, why should the wii cost 199? Even if the Wii costs $249 its reasonable and affordable #thumb# Konami needs to import Metal Gear Solid 4 to the Wii though #worship#

lol how can you play Metal Gear solid 4 when you play it with NUN-CHUCKS!!!!

[lol]

So by using your method of comparing quality by looking at the prices.... Macs must be a bajillion times better than windows. Which many would dispute with me. But dude, the ps3 to me is a Wii with a hard drive, a video card, and a "Wii-mote" that was bent into a "batarang" and spray-painted black with the nun-chuck super-glued on. And I'm guessing you copied all of that off of a website and wouldn't even put quotation marks on it. But on to my point:
The Wii is innovative. All the Xbox 360 and PS3 are are an Xbox and a PS2 with improved controllers that look slightly different and are wireless versions of their predecessors. Like the main console are. Sure they look the same but the Graphics are cooler so it's "next-gen" right? That's not what I think. I think next-gen should mean it's the next generation of gaming, not the next generation of graphics. If we wanted that we would be buying a Pixar console or a Dreamworks handheld. As you probably guessed my vote is for the Wii. But I still like the Xbox 360. Mostly because I like Halo and want to see Halo 3. So base your statements on something tangible, like fact. And no need for the super big font flaming. k?

[Templar]

The Wii is really just a gamecube with a cool controller.

There will be certain graphics enhancements such as HDR and Bumpmapping though.

Overall the PS3 IS the most powerful system and for $600 it's a steal.

Considering it has a blu-ray player (which alone those are worth around $1000 US dollars) and free online play not to mention some of the most powerful hardware in a console system to date...

[Arcturus]

lol said:

And I'm guessing you copied all of that off of a website

lol i did i just wanted to show the facts and there is no more of the boomarang controler (thank GOD!)

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What a material topic, I don't have to argue. Graphics aren't everything, we shouldn't argue about the consoles until they come out and we see how they play. The Wii adds better graphics, more control, and a new way to play to great first-party franchises like Super Smash Brothers, Legend of Zelda, and Metroid Prime and the PS3 adds great graphics, power, and more control to an already great third-party franchise with many games including the said above Metal Gear Solid 4, but with the cost of affordability. No company is going to "win" the next generation, that is just stupid. Gaming is about having fun and competing with friends, not about your favorite company having better graphics. We can argue only so much before the consoles come out, so we'll see then.

You can't bash the controller because you haven't used it yet.
You can't bash the graphics because you obviosly haven't see the gameplay footage of Wii games(Twilight Princess is the only real footage, but its amazing).

[Holy War, Inc.]

If you dont respect the fact that you can download every single game that was made by Nintendo, I just may have to hurt you.

[lol]

And if you don't respect that you can downolad every single game that was made by Nintendo AND Sega!!!! We both will have to hurt you.